In 2001, I took a break from the animation business and looked into other venues I could use my talents at. I answered an ad from a licensing company that was looking for an Illustrator to do 2D traditional work designing collector pins for their clientele that included Disney, Hard Rock Cafe and  Harley Davidson. Mostly it was Hard Rock I did designs for because of its outrageous, rock n’ roll spirit but it gave a little more creative freedom and it let expand my imagination better.